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		<title>By: jeros</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>jeros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the national team of Greece plays in similar way nowadays&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3 defenders with one acting like a sweeper and the other 2 tall &amp; strong defenders who play with passion e.g. Kyrgiakos who plays for Liverpool this season&lt;br&gt;2 wing backs with their role being more defensive than support&lt;br&gt;2 midfielders one of them plays as ball winning mid with defensive duties and the other probably as a standard midfielder who can do a bit of everything on the pitch.&lt;br&gt;The trick her Otto uses is the 3 upfront&lt;br&gt;The AMR+AML+FC are all strikers who doesn&#039;t possess much of technical attributes but have strength and passion to help in all areas of the game!&lt;br&gt;The result of playing this tactic we saw them not only in the miracle of 2004 but also in the recent win over Ukraine to get a ticket for the forthcoming mundial in South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the national team of Greece plays in similar way nowadays</p>
<p>3 defenders with one acting like a sweeper and the other 2 tall &#038; strong defenders who play with passion e.g. Kyrgiakos who plays for Liverpool this season<br />2 wing backs with their role being more defensive than support<br />2 midfielders one of them plays as ball winning mid with defensive duties and the other probably as a standard midfielder who can do a bit of everything on the pitch.<br />The trick her Otto uses is the 3 upfront<br />The AMR+AML+FC are all strikers who doesn&#39;t possess much of technical attributes but have strength and passion to help in all areas of the game!<br />The result of playing this tactic we saw them not only in the miracle of 2004 but also in the recent win over Ukraine to get a ticket for the forthcoming mundial in South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Football Manager Live Portal &#124; Tactics &#124; The Wing Inside Forward &#8211; New Match Engine&#8217;s Not-So-Secret Weapon?</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Football Manager Live Portal &#124; Tactics &#124; The Wing Inside Forward &#8211; New Match Engine&#8217;s Not-So-Secret Weapon?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few weeks ago we talked about my catenaccio experiments with it in FML. It didn’t go too badly, and this season I qualified for the Gold Cup. I am, however, going to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few weeks ago we talked about my catenaccio experiments with it in FML. It didn’t go too badly, and this season I qualified for the Gold Cup. I am, however, going to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Football Manager Live Portal &#124; Tactics &#124; Sweepers: A Response to the 4-5-1 Formation?</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Football Manager Live Portal &#124; Tactics &#124; Sweepers: A Response to the 4-5-1 Formation?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] defences have had to change shape to compensate. Rappan’s back 4 was designed to combat the W-M. Catenaccio would later respond to the 4-2-4 and 4-3-3. The 4-4-2 offered more protection against the 4-2-4s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] defences have had to change shape to compensate. Rappan’s back 4 was designed to combat the W-M. Catenaccio would later respond to the 4-2-4 and 4-3-3. The 4-4-2 offered more protection against the 4-2-4s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robbert de Block - GW: Saunders</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbert de Block - GW: Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried your tactic against an attacking 4-2-3-1 formation with the following positions filled:
DL
DCl
DCr
DR
MCl
MCr
AML
AMCc
AMR
FCc

I started with a controlling match strategy and at halftime it was 1-1. I scored out of a counterattack and my opponent scored from the penalty spot. The second half I changed my Match strategy to counter, in the 66th minute I scored the 2-1 with a shot from distance, where my centre attacker played around a central defender and palced a shot on goal. At half-time the possesion was about 48-52% and at the end of the match that was almost the same at 49-51%.

With 3 clearcut chances for me and only one for my opponent it was quite a good game with a fair result. When I looked at the head to head overview, I noticed that out of the 18 encounters between our two, he won 11 games, we drawn 5 games and I only won 2 games. Although this tactic wont be the key to every opponent his tactic it has worked in this game.

Also my Sweepers is Pable Valenzuela, with the following stats:
First Touch 16
Heading 14
Marking 14
Passing 13
Tackling 18
Technique 13
Anticipation 15
Bravery 16
Composure 13
Concentration 16
Decisions 15
Determination 10
Influence 17
Off the ball 9
Positioning 16
Teamwork 9
Work rate 13
Acceleration 10
Jumping 17
Pace 12
Stamine 13
Strength 17

21 years old and right footed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried your tactic against an attacking 4-2-3-1 formation with the following positions filled:<br />
DL<br />
DCl<br />
DCr<br />
DR<br />
MCl<br />
MCr<br />
AML<br />
AMCc<br />
AMR<br />
FCc</p>
<p>I started with a controlling match strategy and at halftime it was 1-1. I scored out of a counterattack and my opponent scored from the penalty spot. The second half I changed my Match strategy to counter, in the 66th minute I scored the 2-1 with a shot from distance, where my centre attacker played around a central defender and palced a shot on goal. At half-time the possesion was about 48-52% and at the end of the match that was almost the same at 49-51%.</p>
<p>With 3 clearcut chances for me and only one for my opponent it was quite a good game with a fair result. When I looked at the head to head overview, I noticed that out of the 18 encounters between our two, he won 11 games, we drawn 5 games and I only won 2 games. Although this tactic wont be the key to every opponent his tactic it has worked in this game.</p>
<p>Also my Sweepers is Pable Valenzuela, with the following stats:<br />
First Touch 16<br />
Heading 14<br />
Marking 14<br />
Passing 13<br />
Tackling 18<br />
Technique 13<br />
Anticipation 15<br />
Bravery 16<br />
Composure 13<br />
Concentration 16<br />
Decisions 15<br />
Determination 10<br />
Influence 17<br />
Off the ball 9<br />
Positioning 16<br />
Teamwork 9<br />
Work rate 13<br />
Acceleration 10<br />
Jumping 17<br />
Pace 12<br />
Stamine 13<br />
Strength 17</p>
<p>21 years old and right footed.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the player I was talking about:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/neilmck/Moreno.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/neilmck/Moreno.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&#160; 8-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the player I was talking about:</p>
<p><a href="http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/neilmck/Moreno.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt16/neilmck/Moreno.jpg</a>&nbsp; <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James E</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>James E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the link below&#160; - look for the sub heading &quot;Zona Mista&quot; - basically its what the Italians used to negate the Dutch and their brand of Total Football.

Couldnt very well have Gentile trying to follow Neeskens or Rep around the park to the Halfway line! It relies more - well totally pretty much - on Zonal than Man Marking, which was the staple of the traditional Catenaccio :) 


Its a good read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio

Im inclined to believe that unless the ME is changed wer&#039;re not likely to get a sweeper in the Beckenbauer, Sammer, Blanc mould....

Basically we&#039;d need something in there that would allow it to treat the Sweeper like a FullBack - but without the crossing. Knowing when to &quot;bomb forward&quot; when to &quot;tackle back&quot;

As an iamusing sidenote, talking of FBs and bombing on - Steve McManaman in his time at Real Madrid says of Michel Salgado, the attack minded RB, that he only ever learned two words of English ... &quot;Cover me&quot; :-D </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the link below&nbsp; &#8211; look for the sub heading &#8220;Zona Mista&#8221; &#8211; basically its what the Italians used to negate the Dutch and their brand of Total Football.</p>
<p>Couldnt very well have Gentile trying to follow Neeskens or Rep around the park to the Halfway line! It relies more &#8211; well totally pretty much &#8211; on Zonal than Man Marking, which was the staple of the traditional Catenaccio <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Its a good read:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenaccio</a></p>
<p>Im inclined to believe that unless the ME is changed wer&#8217;re not likely to get a sweeper in the Beckenbauer, Sammer, Blanc mould&#8230;.</p>
<p>Basically we&#8217;d need something in there that would allow it to treat the Sweeper like a FullBack &#8211; but without the crossing. Knowing when to &#8220;bomb forward&#8221; when to &#8220;tackle back&#8221;</p>
<p>As an iamusing sidenote, talking of FBs and bombing on &#8211; Steve McManaman in his time at Real Madrid says of Michel Salgado, the attack minded RB, that he only ever learned two words of English &#8230; &#8220;Cover me&#8221; <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Millward</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Millward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s doing pretty much as you said so far James. Though, I let in a last-minute equaliser to some Yank today who seemed to be confused by it all. Which is always good!&#160; ;) 

I&#039;d be interested to hear some more on the 80s Italy side, if you&#039;ve got any links?

I will attempt to get some kind of update on the site at the end of this Fowler year on how the season&#039;s gone with this catenaccio system. There&#039;s a lot of tactical articles I want to get out in the mean time, though, so it may have to be posted as an &quot;extra&quot; installment on a Sunday or something. 8-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s doing pretty much as you said so far James. Though, I let in a last-minute equaliser to some Yank today who seemed to be confused by it all. Which is always good!&nbsp; <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to hear some more on the 80s Italy side, if you&#8217;ve got any links?</p>
<p>I will attempt to get some kind of update on the site at the end of this Fowler year on how the season&#8217;s gone with this catenaccio system. There&#8217;s a lot of tactical articles I want to get out in the mean time, though, so it may have to be posted as an &#8220;extra&#8221; installment on a Sunday or something. <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James E</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>James E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yours looks alot like the Italian catenaccio of the 80s.

The style they and some south americans used in the 60s and 70s, was more 1-4-4-1.

This formation i tried. The inability for the sweeper (i used ignacio camacho) to get beyond even the midfielders made it a very very defensive formation.

So i suppose it was mission accomplished. Certainly not pretty - but defeinitely a defensive formation that can work.

Be interesting to see how your formation based on the italian &#039;82 team (bergomi and gentile etc) will work out :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yours looks alot like the Italian catenaccio of the 80s.</p>
<p>The style they and some south americans used in the 60s and 70s, was more 1-4-4-1.</p>
<p>This formation i tried. The inability for the sweeper (i used ignacio camacho) to get beyond even the midfielders made it a very very defensive formation.</p>
<p>So i suppose it was mission accomplished. Certainly not pretty &#8211; but defeinitely a defensive formation that can work.</p>
<p>Be interesting to see how your formation based on the italian &#8216;82 team (bergomi and gentile etc) will work out <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.gameworldone.com/2009/08/26/can-fml-do-catenaccio/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Italian style catenaccio would be depressing to play! I would look for a Lothar Mattheus type of sweeper (or Mathias Sammer). I remember there was a Mexican regen like that in Fernandez, you could log in there and play 5-3-2 with attacking full backs. ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italian style catenaccio would be depressing to play! I would look for a Lothar Mattheus type of sweeper (or Mathias Sammer). I remember there was a Mexican regen like that in Fernandez, you could log in there and play 5-3-2 with attacking full backs. <img src='http://www.gameworldone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Millward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Millward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, so far it&#039;s not doing too badly. The main problem, actually, isn&#039;t the ME but, as Tom says, the database. Either the players who can play SW well are far too expensive, or they just don&#039;t exist.

The ME deals with it pretty well - my defence has conceded very few goals. But going forward it&#039;s not so effective. That&#039;s to be expected, I guess.

You play 4 at the back, right? You might be better off playing a &quot;cover&quot; defender (shorter but quicker) and a &quot;stopper&quot; defender (brick s*** house). But if you could get a libero sweeper to work (the &quot;cover&quot; defender), you might be able to play the ball well out of defence. It&#039;s worth a go! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, so far it&#8217;s not doing too badly. The main problem, actually, isn&#8217;t the ME but, as Tom says, the database. Either the players who can play SW well are far too expensive, or they just don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>The ME deals with it pretty well &#8211; my defence has conceded very few goals. But going forward it&#8217;s not so effective. That&#8217;s to be expected, I guess.</p>
<p>You play 4 at the back, right? You might be better off playing a &#8220;cover&#8221; defender (shorter but quicker) and a &#8220;stopper&#8221; defender (brick s*** house). But if you could get a libero sweeper to work (the &#8220;cover&#8221; defender), you might be able to play the ball well out of defence. It&#8217;s worth a go!</p>
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